public forum
home forum magazine gallery links about faq courtesy
It is currently Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:20 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 95 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Keefer Case and Body Image - BIG Forum
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2001 6:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 22, 1999 11:01 pm
Posts: 17498
Location: SF Bay Area
Thanks for you insight, Susie, and for taking the time from your busy schedule. It is always an honor to have a star of the Royal Ballet joining in a discussion. Thank you also for hosting the B.I.G. forum that inspired this thread by Emma.<P>Sometimes I have the feeling that we're not hearing the complete story from either side of the argument. If what you say is true, Susie, then are modern ballet companies heading towards long, athletic bodies with an emphasis on virtuosity at the expense of the other attributes? Does anyone have an opinion of this?


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Keefer Case and Body Image - BIG Forum
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2001 4:27 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2001 11:01 pm
Posts: 218
Azlan, it seems to me that this is the direction in which modern ballet companies are going. One of the RB dancers admitted to a bit of apprehension about the arrival of Ross Stretton their new artistic director and said about herself as a dancer "..I know I have fast footwork but I am not a spinner and I do not have legs around my ears." She seemed a little bit worried about where her career would be going.<BR>I have seen her give wonderful performances in Giselle, Romeo and Juliet, La fille mal gardee and The Dream among other ballets. She is an amazing actress and a very musical dancer.<BR>I have come across postings about her performances on other message boards and unfortunately there are people who are very dismissive of her because she can, by her own admission, not compete technically with some of the more technically brilliant dancers of the RB. These people are implying that other dancers should be given chances instead of her because of that.<BR>I am very afraid that if the current trend of emphasising virtuosity and extreme flexibility continues soon there will be no room anymore for dancers like her and in my opinion that would be a great loss.<p>[This message has been edited by OdileGB (edited July 10, 2001).]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Keefer Case and Body Image - BIG Forum
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:09 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2001 11:01 pm
Posts: 8612
Location: El Granada, CA, USA
I think we should give artistic directors some credit here. They are not out to create Olympic teams, and they are not trying to kill hteir beloved art forms. There will always be some technically brilliant dancers and some more artistically brilliant dancers. I will leave it to the ADs of the world to make these dicisions for they know better than I and I trust their decisions.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: Keefer Case and Body Image - BIG Forum
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2001 10:40 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2000 11:01 pm
Posts: 269
Yes, it is the AD's decision and it is important that ADs have autonomy and not run their companies according to popularity polls. But still, shouldn't we ballet lovers express our likes and dislikes and concerns in order to encourage dialogue between audience and company, and shouldn't ADs be reasonably responsive to it? Just look at the boos and hisses, the maniacal ovations, the idolization and harsh disparagement of dancers during ballet's most vital periods. Of course, I'm not advocating mob mentality, and no doubt in our era of unfailing polite applause artistic standards are higher, but . . .


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Keefer Case and Body Image - BIG Forum
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 11:52 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon May 15, 2006 7:26 am
Posts: 1
I was browsing this site and came across this thread. I know it is several years old. I have to second what bunhead wrote here. I too trained at SFB school in the early 90s, and I saw it all. Bulimia, anorexia, girls taking ipecec to induce vomiting, eating kleenex to feel "full," and yes, the thinner girls were rewarded, and any girl with "extra" as some of the russian teachers called it, were embarrassed in class. Its a shame that such a high caliber school would reward such dangerous behavior with scholarships and roles in performances. Bunhead I hope you are doing well.

bunhead wrote:
As a dancer who was trained at SFB school I have been very interested in the Keefer case and the debate it has inspired. The administration of the school is different now than it was 10 years ago when I was a student there, but the attitude seems not to have changed much. The prevalance of eating disorders in that shcool was overwhelming when I was a student there, and having an eating disorder was consistantly rewarded by the administration. When I was a student there I often felt guilty that I wasn't anorexic or bulimic, I felt that I must not be dedicated enough if I wasn't able to make that ultimate sacrifice for ballet. The students who were very underweight were awarded special scholarships and were the obvious favorites of the administration. I can't tell you how many girls in that school were bulimic, I would say maybe 40%, and I know of 4 in my age group, (out of maybe 30 girls within 5 years of myself) who were sick enough to be hospitalized multiple times, one girl who died, and others who were never able to maintain a professional career because companies later decided they were too skinny (!) or becuase of injuries related to an eating disorder, usualy stress fractures that would not heal. And I'm not counting all the girls who suffered from low self esteem and body image problems related to wanting to be super skinny. The funny thing was, the teachers at that school seemed to genuinely love their students and not want them to get too skinny, I remember one teacher who would call a girl's home telling her and her mother that she had to eat more that she was worried the student was becomming to skinny. But that girl was still awarded a prestigious scholarship that same year. A few years later, the company got rid of that same girl saying she was too skinny. The girl was hospitalized a few times because she became too malnourished to function, and eventualy had to give up dancing all together. The teacher herself was later fired. Other schools seem to have a different attitude, and are still able to turn out many professional dancers. The Ruth Page Foundation School in Chicago, for example, has graduated many dancers who now dance professionaly around the world. Taking class there you are surrounded by beautiful, healthy girls who seem happy in thier bodies and filled with the joy of dance. Maybe not having a company directly affiliated with the school helps somehow, and Larry Long, the director of the school and a treasure of a teacher, seems to be as proud of a student of his who goes on to get a master's degree in art history as he is of one who is an apprentice at Boston Ballet. I'm not sure what the merits of Keefer's case really are, but SFB school has churned out a lot of very sick girls, and if anything could be done to change that, I would be all for that. It seems to me that something has to be done to focus on eating disorders in ballet schools, and that girls who are suspected or known to have such disorders should be watched and disciplined as stringently as those with "weight problems." Dancers are often told they need to lose a few pounds, but are rarely called to task for looking obsurdly thin. I'm not talking about simply slender girls, I'm talking about the ones that are walking skeletons with big bloody calouses on the knuckles of their index fingers that develop from rubbing against their teeth while puking. Girls like that are dancing all over the country, and nobody seems to care! In my own company there are a handful of girls who are so obviously sick I can't believe that the various physical therapists and doctors who see them regularly haven't perscribed some sort of helpful program for them. I guess that for these girls, it seems to be too late, as their habits are so well established, but for young girls in school it seems like something should be done.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 95 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
The messages in this forum are posted by members of the general public and do not reflect the opinions or beliefs of CriticalDance or its staff.
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group