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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:27 am 
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it's a long time since i read this book, but i know that i did not find it depressing. realistic, yes. depressing, no. in fact, it was quite triumphant in expressing human growth and discovery about oneself and others, about love and family, and dance. <P>but triumph in real life often has huge costs, as is the case here. not the big obvious kinds of costs or results that we read about in the paper, but the much more private emotional ones.<P>i recommend this book, and i know a lot of people who found it absorbing abd rewarding. an adult ballet class i know of, all shared reading this book, and started having meetings to discuss it, as they all found different elements of their lives reflected in the story.<P>i found it deeply moving.

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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2000 5:30 am 
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moger - i don't mean this to be intrusive, so please ignore me if you like - but you are quite young to feel 'left behind'. is that really what you feel? is that an accurate or fair self-assessment? if so, does it matter to you? (if you would prefer i delete this post, please say so, or email me, OK?) Image

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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2000 7:14 am 
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I think that for the most part, the dance world is geared to leave people behind. I know that is negative - but there it is. I found it to be a closed world at which one must knock and at times batter at the door.<P> The challenge was to find ways around that door, to get inside just so someone will know you are there. I did that first by not letting anyone discourage me because I came rather late to the dance. The second way was to make my own opportunities to perform until I was noticed.<P>But, I had an advantage. The very number of years that challenged my participation also gave me the courage of an adult. As a teenager I am sure I most probably wouldn't have had the hutzpah (read that as pushiness) to create those opportunities. <P>Another advantage I had was a secure base from which to work - a home, I didn't need the income, and absolute conviction. But, every night I had that home to which to return to restoke the fires of that conviction. Younger dancers face a greater challenge than I did. Youth is vulnerable.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2000 12:45 am 
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I could never make it to where I wanted to be in the dance world. Simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2000 6:23 am 
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Moger - you might take comfort in the fact - that most of us have never made it in the dance world where we wanted to be. There comes a point at which one has to say - this is it and I must enjoy where I am or I will spoil what I have worked so hard for. <P>And for most of us, life is a constant attempt to reach places and then try for contentment in the place in which we find ourselves. <P>Even those who seem to have "made it" are often still seeking.......it's just the nature of the beast, I think.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2000 2:43 am 
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moger, i couldn't agree more with basheva. you know 'most' of us want to be fonteyn or pavlova or makarova or whoever - or 'better than all before'! Image but reality is, that we need to find a way to be content - or better yet: happy - with wherever we CAN get to, while as basheva says, constantly striving. i do think, though, that it can take many many years to get over that feeling of overwhelming disappointment....<P>one more thing! - i also think, given your age, that it's very important NOT to think you are finished - before you are started. life works in mysterious ways, you should continue to pursue what you love, and not cut your options off too soon by being overly judgemental of yourself....<P> Image<P><p>[This message has been edited by grace (edited November 25, 2000).]

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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2000 3:28 am 
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Image <BR>thankyou Basheva and grance for your kind words.<P>Of course, i realise few are lucky enough to 'do what they want to' with dance, but my goals are so modest... I'm generally quite content simply doing ballet for fun, just sometimes I wish things were different!<BR>


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2000 7:11 am 
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Moger - did you get a chance to read the thread "The Special Needs Student......" ? It is in this forum - if you scroll down a bit. <P>I sometimes look on my opportunity to dance as kind of like a dessert...that I have been privileged to partake.


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2001 12:54 pm 
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I also think Basheva's first response above is excellent advice.<P>My experiences: <P>When I've gone to class with a migraine, I have benefited from the class. Though I've never gone with a very severe migraine, or very drugged. Nor would I drive in either state.<P>I think a class in which I had to "struggle through pain, weakness and impaired co ordination" unless it were a very mild struggle Image would cause me more harm than good and would risk injury.<P>If I choose to go to dance class with a migraine, I will either take no pills, take pills which do not affect my coordination like naproxin sodium, or, if I take stronger pills, take them 3 or 4 hours before class starts. Then I can evaluate my coordination before leaving home and decide if I need to stay home. Sometimes the same dose of Midrin or Codeine will have a different effect on my balance and coordination.<BR>Also, for me, coordination is better by that time.<P>I do beginning level classes... I would probably not do big jumps or lots of fast turns on narcotics, no matter how coordinated I felt. <P>I also would not do any ballet class after taking a new narcotic or dizzyness-causing medication which I didn't have several years of personal experience with.<P>By the way, if anyone is interested, I can post about triptan drugs, an exciting new possibile cure, and internet forums on migraine.


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2001 9:35 am 
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Hi Danni.<P>I have scrolled through the replies thus far, and I need to add something that has not yet been mentioned. Please make an appointment with a cardiologist to see if you have mitral valve prolapse. It is a benign heart condition that affects approximately 10% of the female population in the United States. Many of them don't know they have it. Some have a few symptoms. And some, like me, have all of them. <P>One of the most common symptoms is migraine headaches. If this is the case, you might be prescribed beta blockers, which is something you will need to discuss at length with the doctor. <P>You don't say how old you are, but I suffered from excruciating migraines during my freshman year in college. I was eventually hospitalized and put through every test in the book. They did not know about MVP back then. One of my brothers had a roommate who was an extremely talented quarterback in college, and had to give up playing football because of his migraines. His teammate, Joe Theisman, went on to become one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history, so you see, there are others this terrible malady has affected. I remember that this young man was examined by doctors at the Mayo Clinic who told him that the longer he went without a headache, the greater chance he would have of them being alleviated altogether. (He is a very happy, successful man at present, I just wanted to add).<P>After my hospitalization, I was prescribed barbituates with no instruction about this drug, except to take it. I never finished the bottle. I was determined to overcome these headaches without dangerous drugs. I have had them so badly that I have had the "shakes" and had to call someone in the middle of the night until the worst was over. My face looks like I've got myesthenia gravis when they're really bad. <P>The good news, however, is that they do abate with age. I get one now and then around that time of the month, but they are not nearly as strong. I have never taken beta blockers either. That was my decision. In fact, I don't take pain pills of any kind. What I do, however, and believe me, this works, is keep a cold can of Coke in the fridge. When a mean one comes on, I drink it slowly. The caffeine expands the capillaries (which are constricted during the migraine) and the coldness and the fizz help with the stomach upset that accompanies migraines. It is the single "drug" I employ for this, and it does work.<P>The great basketball player, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, was also known to suffer from migraines, and even played with them. But I think you will find that excessive movement exacerbates the pain, and the best thing to do is wait it out and stay in quiet, cool and dark room. <P>Above all, do see your doctor(s) and get to the bottom of what is triggering your migraines (and to ensure that they are, in fact, migraines). I know that when you're in the middle of one, it's hard to believe that anything that hurts that much can be a relatively harmless affliction, but take comfort in that fact as well. It is very important to see if MVP is the cause, because if it is, you will need to take an antibiotic an hour before seeing the dentist whenever you go for check-ups and cleanings to avoid bacteria spreading to your heart. It is just a simple precaution but something all people with MVP need to do (there is a strong link between our gums and our hearts).<P>I hope this is of help. I want to make sure that rather than scare you, I'm giving you some information you can take to your respective doctor(s) so they can assess you properly. Good luck. I'm sure you will get to the bottom of this and find relief. <P>


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2001 5:28 pm 
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Christina, a part of me also likes the idea of avoiding drugs as much as possible.<P>Especially preventives like beta blockers, which are always in your system. I tried several beta blockers (none helped) and one made my heart sometimes beat strangely.<P>However, as a friend used to say, the body is chemically screwed up, all on its own. And drugs, used properly, can make it less screwed up. <BR>More importantly, using drugs as prescribed can have a profound impact on the condition they are treating.<P>My quality of life is much higher because of the prescription drug Midrin.<P>I've also read that migraines improve with age Image, and it is true for me. Part of the reason is that as years go by, I am more able to tell how serious my headeache will become ahead of time, and if mild or extreme exercise will make it worse. I usually know when I need to stay still, when I need to lie in a dark room, and when I need pills. <P>Caffeine works for my headaches too, but I avoid it now as much as possible. If only taken infrequently, it is fine. But if used several times over a short period, many people will get rebound headaches. This happens with some prescription drugs too, but I have read that caffeine is one of the worst rebound-causing drugs. Image


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2001 1:17 pm 
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Thank you both so much for your replies. MichaelB - I've had some success with triptans and I'd love to hear about the migraine forums. Christina - I've never heard about MVP and migraine. However, I did try beta blockers for migraine and they made my heart rate and blood pressure alarmingly low. But - I'll mention it to my Dr - thank you. It's nice to hear that they improve with age and I'm still searching for my triggers - an allergy specialist is next on the list (I've already seen 2 neurologists, a chiro, physio, acupuncturist and naturopath with very little success).<P>As for ballet while affected I think my general rules now are not to dance while any more than mildly affected, adn not to dance after taking medication that can alter my balance etc. I will definitely start keeping a can of coke in the fridge - sounds like a good plan.<P>Thanks for your support and suggestions<BR>Danni


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 Post subject: Re: Migraine
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I haven't spent much time on these forums lately, so am not sure of their current quality... but please check them out:<P>If you know how, use your email program to try alt.support.headaches.migraine.<BR>If not, visit <A HREF="http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=fs]/group/alt.support.headaches.migraine" TARGET=_blank>http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=fs]/group/alt.support.headaches.migraine</A> <P>It is part support group and part discussion/question forum. Not everything posted is true, but some doctors and med students post, so really bad advice is likely to get shot down.<P>And here are Ronda's Migraine Page forums: <A HREF="http://www.migrainepage.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi" TARGET=_blank>http://www.migrainepage.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi</A> <P>Glad triptans work (some) for you. Some people have found them to be their savior.<P>The exciting new cure--disable or remove your forehead corrugator muscles. You can't scowl so it could affect a performance career, but you'll have softer worry lines! Image<P>From the Wall st Journal: He reviewed the cases of 314 patients who over the past 10 years had undergone the procedure, in which two small forehead muscles are snipped and removed to eliminate wrinkles and frown lines. His study, published in the August issue of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that of 39 of his patients who had suffered migraines prior to surgery, 31 of them reported that their headaches had stopped completely or had become much less frequent or severe.<P>Corrugator muscle links: <A HREF="http://onhealth.webmd.com/conditions/news/webmd/item,101024.asp" TARGET=_blank>http://onhealth.webmd.com/conditions/news/webmd/item,101024.asp</A> <A HREF="http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/13378a.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/13378a.htm</A> <A HREF="http://www.adis.com/newsletters/inpharma/articles/763670.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.adis.com/newsletters/inpharma/articles/763670.html</A> <A HREF="http://www.ama-assn.org/special/migraine/newsline/conferen/aash99/0613boto.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.ama-assn.org/special/migraine/newsline/conferen/aash99/0613boto.htm</A> <A HREF="http://www.headachedrugs.com/HeadacheDrugs/botox.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.headachedrugs.com/HeadacheDrugs/botox.html</A>


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