Sorry guys. I shall be a bit more specific here. I was refering to either an adult beginner age group or a 6-8 year old age group. simple port de bras in 3rd and 4th positions in particular. I personally encourage both these age groups in the first instance to use only eyes, eye focus and heads and then at a later stage include a sligh epaulment. I think there is an area which one has to be careful also with how we say things. how often have we said to our students to "perform the port de bras with feeling, present it to your audience" and then seeing these incredible and ugly side bends and weird and wonderful distortions which we then have to rope back in but without discouraging our students at the same time. ha ha

I totally agree with your post also poohtunia - I think distortion of the classical shape is the key here
