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 Post subject: Re: Pre-recorded music instead of live orchestra....
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:33 am 
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Azlan:<BR>For PNB, did any of the press coverage indicate the reasons for the choreographer's choice of recorded music versus live?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:52 am 
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Wordfox, as I mentioned in the PNB thread, both Stephen Baynes and Hans van Manen choreographed their tango works on very specific recordings. The Gidon Kremer/Yo Yo Ma collaboration used in the Baynes work, in addition to the bandoneon orchestration, incorporates musical improvisation reflected in the choreography that would be difficult to replicate with sufficient exactitude. <P>When van Manen was here a year ago, Kent and Francia tried to convince him to use the orchestra. It became quickly apparent that he also had specific choreographic ideas tied to a specific performance. As with most music not in the public domain, there are challenges obtaining music. The bandoneon, itself, would not be an insurmountable problem here, as we have a good bandoneon orchestra in Seattle.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:14 pm 
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I DO remember Van Manen's "Five Tangos" Is that the work in question?<P>If so, you might have the bandoneon, but do you have Astor Piazzola to play it?


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Yes, wordfox, that was one of the works on the program.


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ROBIN POGREBIN - NY Times, November 12, 2002:
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Contract Issue Has Broadway Considering 'Virtual' Music

roadway producers are quietly preparing to keep their shows running with recorded music — what have come to be known as virtual orchestras — in anticipation of a strike by the musicians union when its contract expires in the spring.
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It's certainly best to use live music if it's affordable and high-quality. But at a performance of "Giselle" a couple of summers ago, by a very good up-and-coming southern California regional company at a local amphitheater, the town's amateur symphony pops orchestra was engaged. The result was butchery of the music, and probably an embarrassing ordeal for the dancers. To make it worse, the band was unable to even attempt the music in three sections, and sat still each time while a cd recording was played for several minutes! The performance was largely spoiled, but would have succeeded if a recording had been used throughout.


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Oh my g...

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Board Members Quit Over Opera Troupe's Virtual Orchestra

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A small opera company in Brooklyn plans to present a production of Mozart's "Magic Flute" on Saturday with the sole accompaniment of a virtual orchestra. <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/04/arts/music/04OPER.html target=_blank>more</a>


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:22 am 
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The musicians' union, Local 802 of the American Federation of Musicians, argues that virtual orchestras threaten the future of live music.
I'd say that unreasonable wage and benefit demands on the part of the AF of M, whose members are protected to a degree that dancer can only dream of (and which is traditionally non-supportive of other arts unions, I might add), are as much to blame as any other cause. Remember when the NYCB orchestra was demanding that its members be not required to show up at performances?

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Chicago Sun-Times -

Joffrey gets jolt with live music

September 11, 2003

BY HEDY WEISS THEATER CRITIC

At a time when live music is under threat, even in the pit of Broadway theaters -- and taped accompaniment has sadly become standard practice for many dance companies -- the Joffrey Ballet of Chicago is moving counter to conventional wisdom.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-recorded music instead of live orchestra....
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The following are excerpts from a conversation in the Oregon Ballet Theater topic about Christopher Stowell's choice of taped music.

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Dean Speer posted:

Crab department Okay, Mr. Stowell (and Ballet Board!) start with the live music! This was more than a little disappointment - to sit through ballets that could have been done live (Duo Fantasy was with live music). If the excuse is "money," then get over it! I say this because the danger is, as I see it, that if you allow everyone to get used to having no music for even a while due to the dollar excuse, this may be slippery slope that devolves to, "Well, we've gotten by for X years without it, why start now?!" -- even if they could afford it. My stong belief is that you cannot affort to be without. The live music component needs to build in tandem and parallel along with all other aspects of the ballet; technical, artistic, audience expectations, how the house "feels" when you come in, and more. The lighting, costumes, and dancing are done live; how much more then is music that we all claim to be the springboard for dancing in the first place?

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DavidH posted:

Wow, I'm shocked!

Well I don't know what the "per service fee" in Portland is, but here in the SF Bay Area live music(meaning an orchestra in the pit) is $20 -$25K for each set of performances. So depending on our schedule thats $100-125K per season.

This is a much debated issue and we don't need to go in to it here. Just sharing some facts. If we had a policy of live music only, then there wouldn't be a Diablo Ballet. What to do?

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Dean Speer responded:

In the context of OBT's opening and of its making a statement about its future, I stand by what I said. For its big "first" outing, they should have bucked up and had live music, otherwise, they are sending -- unintentionally or otherwise -- the message that taped music is okay. And it also tends to have the effect of apologizing and living up to a poor, self-image.

If, again, the goal was to send the message that OBT's image is changing and for the better and is well on its way to becoming a major West Coast ballet company (which I believe it is!), then they really, really should have had live music for its opening run. A better solution, to me, would have been to have used piano for all of the works, the Andrews' ballet aside. At least this would have said, "Okay, we're here, we're on the move, and we're trying to do it right. We cannot have an orchestra right now, so we are using piano to provide live accompaniment and are excited and happy that someday we will be able to realize our dream of utilizing an orchestra, when orchestral instrumention is called for."

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Others have any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-recorded music instead of live orchestra....
PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:43 am 
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Here's something gaining controversy:

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Choreographer's 'La Sylphide' remake infuriates musicians

SoundGenerator.com

Musicians have condemned a £200,000 funding for a new ballet, which uses a recording instead of live musicians. <a href=http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/index.cfm?articleid=4730 target=_blank>more</a>


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