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 Post subject: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2001 12:08 pm 
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Choreographers and companies will sometimes go to extraordinary lengths to bring in an audience. But when is the gimmick they use just purely that: a sales gimmick with no artistic value?

Is this one such situation:

Meat Bikini

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<small>[ 08-10-2002, 15:15: Message edited by: salzberg ]</small>


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 Post subject: Re: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 4:54 am 
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Another article on a similar theme in the context of video art:<P>Art and the Body Politic<BR><B>Susan Smith-Pinelo Lays Bare Issues of Female Identity</B> <BR>By Teresa Wiltz in The Washington Post <P><BR>You could say the video is about breasts. Except that to say so sounds terribly crass, and pandering and provocative. But it is what it is: postmodern body parts filtered through the prism of hip-hop and misogyny, "identity politics" and the commodification of the artist.<P><A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11534-2001Dec7.html" TARGET=_blank><B>click for more</B></A><BR>


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 Post subject: Re: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 7:21 am 
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From Stephen Sondheim's lyrics for <I>Gypsy</I>:<P>You can pull all the stops out<BR>Till they call the cops out<BR>Grind your behind till you're dead<BR>But you gotta get a gimmick<BR>If you wanna get ahead!<p>[This message has been edited by Tom Skelton (edited December 09, 2001).]

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 Post subject: Re: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 7:35 am 
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I need a gimmick. Is there a "Gimmicks R Us" store?<BR>Seriously, I wonder when, in history, did gimmicks become necessary for artists? Always? What was Michaelangelo's gimmick? Don't say painting on ceilings.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2001 1:55 pm 
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About the meat bikini.<P>Oriella Dorella (La Scala etc) was being interviewed on TV here (Italy) the other week.<BR>She mentioned, in passing, a ballet she danced in, nude, and carrying several dead chickens. YUCH. Image <P>You all know me far too well to know I'm not having you on here, and no doubt someone will also know something about said ballet?<P>If not I'll see if I can find anything.


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 Post subject: Re: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
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So if it is completely in bad taste is it a gimmick? Or is that just part of the criteria?


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 Post subject: Re: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:53 am 
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So - when a wiley 19th century promoter brought together four of the greatest ballerinas of his time, and commissioned a piece of choreography that would allow them each to shine (or outshine), was that a gimmick? Or was that artistic vision? <P>Or was it a gimmick for the promoter; and a stroke of brilliance for the choreographer (in ever being able to pull it off)?<P>Is the "meat" a case of a personal artistic vision that is not a universal vision that can be shared by audiences? <P>(At least if it is a boxoffice flop, the dancers are assured of knowing where their next meal is coming from.)


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 Post subject: Re: When is a Gimmick a Gimmick?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:23 am 
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And then there was this delightful discussion:

SF Ballet's New, Sexy Ad Campaign

<small>[ 08-10-2002, 15:16: Message edited by: salzberg ]</small>


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