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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2002 6:45 am 
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OK, may I suggest that we all take a deep breath. Perhaps Ileana was ill-advised to use the phrase 'idle discussions'. <P>There are a few more thoughts that occur to me: <P>- when we have a decision to make on the site, the Moderators (both English and French speaking) discuss the matter and formulate a way forward. At that level it is democratic and i would point out that on most websites one person makes all the decisions. While we listen to what the readers say, it is not democratic at that level and has never claimed to be.<P>- Regarding the action we are taking, staff of this site have been libelled and we need to tighten the arrangments to help prevent that. We have no illusions that the 'no-Hotmail' rule is like erecting a fire wall, but we feel that this procedure, which is used on at least one other dance website, may be useful. <P>- We have said that those who wish to continue using their Hotmail can identify themselves confidentially to:<P>Azlan - a Senior Structural Engineer in San Francisco<BR>Emma - a Senior lawyer in London<BR>Stuart - ex-Bank Executive now advising on Business and Human Rights for Amnesty International in London<P>If you choose not to trust this group, then there is little we can do. <P><p>[This message has been edited by Stuart Sweeney (edited May 24, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2002 12:09 pm 
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Je ne suis pas d'accord a l'effet de fermer cette topic. Comme vous, albeod, j'ai une passion pour la danse et je voudrais que ce bulletin soit une expérience positive pour tous. Évidemment vous tous avez des avis et je voudrais les entendre. Si ce n'est pas ici et bien ou alors ? Certainement pas dans les autres topics de Danser car a bien des occasions les sujets finissent par dériver de telle manière que l'ont doit clôturer le sujet en raison de désaccords interminable.<P>D'être un volontaire n'est pas une excuse, c'est simplement la situation. L'expression en anglais serait 'vous en avez pour ce que vous en payez'. Ceci ne signifie pas que nous n'essayons pas Image, mais nous ne sommes pas parfaits. Pour ceux qui travaillent en danse, nous savons bien ce n'est pas une démocratie mais que chacun fait un effort pour le succès malgré les imperfections. C'est la même chose pour ce bulletin.<P>---------------------<P>I don't think this topic should be closed. Like you albeod, I have a passion for dance and would like to see this board be a positive experience for all. Obviously you and others have opinions and I would like to hear them. If not here, then where? Certainly not mixed into the other topics in Danser so that subjects are no longer about dance and threads are closed, as has happened on several occasions.<P>Being a volunteer is not an excuse; it's simply a fact. The expression used in English is: "you get what you pay for." This does not mean we do not try hard Image, but we aren't perfect. For those who work in dance, we know very well that it is not a democracy but everyone makes an effort for success in spite of the flaws. It's the same for this board.<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Marie (edited May 24, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2002 11:44 pm 
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Marie, nous avons une expression équivalente en français on dit "vous en avez pour votre argent".<P>Je constate que malgré le nombre élevé d'interventions aucune avancée n'a pu être obtenue. Stuart a donné l'objectif qu'il poursuivait :<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>staff of this site have been libelled and we need to tighten the arrangments to help prevent that<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Cela se passe de commentaires et le Topic devrait être fermé.<P>We couln't obtain any progress with a great number of postings. Stuart explained his aim :<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>staff of this site have been libelled and we need to tighten the arrangments to help prevent that<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This explanation doesn't need any comments and the Topic should be closed.


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2002 12:29 am 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>which is used on at least one other dance website<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you speak about balletalert (this is not advertising) this is true but there is a big difference in the way this rule took effect in this site. Older bona fide posters with an hotmail adress hadn't their rights suspended and they hadn't to change their address or to offer some other form of identification. That's a great difference who would allow more pluralism on "Danser".


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2002 5:18 pm 
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It's okay to talk about Ballet Alert here CloClo, we've never had a policy against mentioning other dance websites on Criticaldance. But we aren't Ballet Alert, and as you are a relatively new member this wouldn't apply to you in any case, even if we did use the same procedure. <P>


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2002 1:56 am 
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We are the 27 may, the applications of new rules should have applied since yesterday.<P>I agree Ileana "idle discussions" and albeod<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We couln't obtain any progress with a great number of postings... The Topic should be closed<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2002 8:42 am 
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We have now implemented our new arrangements and will post a fuller message later today.<P>


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2002 9:54 pm 
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The post that was here by a new unknown poster has been moved and is being considered.<p>[This message has been edited by Stuart Sweeney (edited May 29, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2002 10:55 am 
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Ca n'est pas vous qu'ils visent.


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2002 10:07 pm 
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Un message vous a été posté sous le "userName" VictoriaM il y a une semaine en vous faisant diverses propositions. Malheureusement vous l'avez, semble-t-il, rapidement supprimé sans y répondre. Et vous avez décidé de supprimer les droits de l'utilisateur VictoriaM. Je vous remercie de bien vouloir m'indiquer quelles sont les raisons de cette suppression.<P>Avez-vous l'intention de donner une suite à notre message initial et dans l'affirmative sous quel délai ? En l'absence de réponse le 7 juin 2002 à cette simple question, nous considérerons que vous ne souhaitez pas donner de suite à notre demande.<P>En toute état de cause pour simplifier les procédures, je vous remercie de bien vouloir communiquer vos coordonnées officielles d'ici le 7 juin 2002. Si nous ne répondiez pas sur ce point, nous serons contraints d'ajouter ce manque au dossier alors que cela n'était pas notre volonté initiale car nous pensions à un simple oubli.<p>[This message has been edited by Victoria_Malouis (edited June 04, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:53 pm 
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The answer is very simple. The post made anonymous insinuations in public against one of our Moderators, which we will not tolerate. In addition, the corruption insinuations implicated dancers. For this reason I have taken the exceptional step of suspending the posting rights of 'Victoria Malouis' as well as 'VictoriaM', as I am not convinced you are acting in good faith in a very sensitive area.<P>If you have anything significant to say about our Moderators, you may e-mail me, identifying yourself clearly. <P>[This message has been edited by Stuart Sweeney (edited June 04, 2002).]<p>[This message has been edited by Stuart Sweeney (edited June 04, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 1:34 am 
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En tous cas, il y a un truc qui est très bien, c'est que Cathy s'est tellement discréditée que dans les faits elle n'est plus modératrice.


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 2:39 am 
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Mathieu, moi, je ne suis pas modératrice, je ne suis qu'une participante... mais puisque vous êtes venu dans cette rubrique je me permets de vous faire la suggestion suivante - et vous en ferez bien entendu ce que vous voudrez : pourquoi n'agiriez-vous pas vis-à-vis de ce forum comme vous pourriez le faire vis-à-vis d'une compagnie de danse par exemple ? Je m'explique :<P>Quand on considère qu'une compagnie est mauvaise :<BR>- soit on l'estime "irrécupérable", "cas désespéré" ; et l'on s'abstient de revenir à ses spectacles, tout simplement ;<BR>- soit on pense qu'elle peut changer et progresser, et on essaye de faire des critiques constructives, en souhaitant de bonne foi le meilleur pour tous les danseurs ; on essaye de n'aggresser personne, de relever les faiblesses, de proposer les solutions, mais aussi de remarquer et d'encourager les progrès ; et de ne pas ramener indéfiniment sur le tapis les erreurs passées s'il n'y a pas lieu de les rappeler : tenir trop longtemps rigueur à quelqu'un ou à un groupe de personnes de leur attitude passée, n'est-ce pas le meilleur moyen de les enfermer dans cette attitude ?<BR>Et enfin, les critiques que l'on a à formuler, on choisit le temps et le lieu appropriés pour le faire, ceux qui sont par convention consacrés à cela (ex: faire irruption dans les coulisses au milieu du spectacle pour crier "mettez votre éclairagiste à la porte", ce n'est pas forcément la meilleure idée).<P>Je ne pense pas que j'aie besoin d'expliciter plus avant la comparaison, mais si je suis moins claire que je ne le pense, dites-le moi.<p>[This message has been edited by AlinWond (edited June 18, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 2:45 am 
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Dans ce Topic, je me félicitais du changement opéré. <BR>Dans un autre Topic, c'est nabucco qui a remis les choses sur le tapis.<BR>En quoi suis-je en contradiction avec votre avis ?<BR><p>[This message has been edited by *Mathieu* (edited June 18, 2002).]


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 Post subject: Re: Discussion about Danser
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2002 2:50 am 
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Pour le reste je suis très surpris des critiques de Laetitia Pujol que je lis sur ce forum. Elle est extraordinaire en Ada. Elle a obtenu un triomphe et tout le monde en dit du mal ici. Permettez moi d'être surpris. Des progrès restent à faire.


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